Saturday, February 23, 2008

Monday/Tuesday Storm Latest

Update 4 a.m.
The entire viewing area has been upgraded to a Winter Storm Warning.

Update 10:50 p.m.
I'm about to head out for the night. The Weather Service offices are going to hold off on Winter Storm Warnings until later tonight, after they've done additional analysis. An additional thing that's being looked at is how long the blowing snow will be a problem after the snow itself stops falling.

Meteorologist Adam Painter will have all the latest during 13News Today.

Update 9:50 p.m.
Enough of the GFS model run has come in... it nudges the low track a touch farther north than its previous run. However, based on what it and the NAM have both been doing, I'm going to stick with my going forecast. Tune in to the news shortly and I'll give a complete rundown of the storm.

Update 8:15 p.m.
The latest run of the NAM computer model nudges the low track a smidge farther south. Now to wait for the GFS to come in to see how it compares...

Update 7:15 p.m.
The energy that will go into the development of the low pressure has come onshore. Upper-air observations are being ingested into the models, which will help them get a better idea of what may occur. I've been scouring for more data to peruse and based what I've seen so far, am sticking with my snowfall map from earlier this afternoon. Based on some "ensemble" data, as it's called, it would appear the heaviest snowfall amounts will be in the neighborhood of I-88. Ensemble data puts together a bunch of different tweaks made to a model and puts them together, which is a helpful tool.

In any event, I'll be anxiously awaiting tonight's model runs. One will be in sometime during the 8 o'clock hour, and the other will be coming down the pike closer to 10.

Update 4:45 p.m.
I decided to see how close we've gotten to the snowiest winter record.
Our snowiest December-February period was 63.4" in 1978-1979. We're sitting at 58.9" right now. My too-many-to-want-to-remember semesters of calculus tells me that an additional 4.5" will tie the record. It looks to me like the record will most likely go down in the next 36 hours.

Update 3:50 p.m.

I've put together a snowfall forecast map with my current thinking. I'm forecasting 3-6" amounts across the entire area. South of the Illinois/Wisconsin border down to around I-80, I believe there will be quite a few locations picking up at least 6". The important thing to remember with the snowfall map is this: if the low tracks farther north, the snowfall bands will shift northward and probably decrease a bit due to a later changeover to snow. If the low tracks farther south, then the snowfall bands will shift southward. I'll update this map this evening after I've gotten additional new information.

Update 2:15 p.m.
Above are the counties under the Winter Storm Watch. It includes the entire viewing area. It goes into effect midday Monday and lasts through midday Tuesday.

Sunday Morning Update
A Winter Storm Watch in effect for all of Northern Illinois and Southern Wisconsin for a combination of freezing rain, sleet, and snow Monday evening. Snow is expected to accumulate at least a few inches, but a combination of different types of precipitation will likely make roadways very slick late Monday into Tuesday. A Winter Storm Watch is issued when wintry weather is expected to have serious impact on travel. We will post more detailed forecast later this afternoon along with a snowfall forecast map.

Update 10:30 p.m.
The latest model runs have come in... and they're becoming in better agreement on a southern track. I'm becoming more sold on it, but still want to hedge slightly to the north of their advertised tracks. As far as the impact on us... right now, my thinking is that the initial rain/snow line will be close to the Illinois/Wisconsin border. I wouldn't be surprised if I trim Monday's forecast high when I come into work tomorrow... especially based on the recent and now-consistent trends.

Original Post
The sunshine was a sight to see today. The good thing is that tomorrow will be another quiet day!

Our attention is turning to a system that's going to push through the area on Monday. Just like pretty much every other low this winter, the track being predicted by the models is wavering. Current trends have been pushing the storm track a bit farther south again, which would lead to an earlier change from rain to snow. However, the low has tended to track a bit northwest of the predicted path. While I do have some confidence in going with a somewhat southern track, I'm leery about going too far south just quite yet; I want to see additional model runs that indicate it... and I'm waiting for the energy that'll spawn the low to actually make it onshore so the observing networks can sample it better.

As it stands now, it does appear we'll have mostly rain at the onset, but a changeover to snow will happen sometime Monday afternoon. Another piece of energy is expected to swing around behind the low and help give some more lift with the wraparound snow. Tomorrow, I'll have a much better idea of how I believe it'll all play out... but in the meantime, it certainly looks like a messy start to the workweek with rain, accumulating snow, and chilly northwest winds.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Justin, thanks.

Just from my POV, I much prefer it when the models are still conflicting or uncertain, that you folks just say so (as you did in this post), rather than trying to out-guess the info you actually have.

On a side-note: I finally obtained the ability to telecommute to my job "on occasion" -- which I intend to do when the weather is too dreadful/dangerous.

I'm looking at Monday & wondering whether that might be a good day to telecommute from home? My impression from what you (and the NWS) are saying is that it is likely I'd get to work okay Monday morning, but things are going to go downhill from there, & the commute home might be a tad dicey. Is that a relatively accurate impression at this point?

Justin said...

From the way it looks now, when should the system be completely out of here? Don't tell us how much snow you think we're getting, because you might be trying to boost viewers...

I couldn't help it lol

Justin Gehrts said...

WI Wx Buff: I would say you've got the idea just right. And the farther north you go, the less likely there'll be any rain at the onset. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you'll end up having to make one of those at-the-very-last-moment decisions.

Justin: Right now, it looks like the main show will get out of here Monday night with some light snow still hanging around. The wind will also be an issue with some blowing/drifting. (Of course, I got burned last time on the wraparound snow pretty much evaporating as it slid east into our area...)

I'm hoping I get some fresh data by the time the weather segment rolls around on the 10 tonight. And since Sundays are quiet around here, I plan on having a few blog updates in the afternoon.

restlessinrockford said...

Loving the updates Justin, thanks!

And this "warmer" weather is really brining on the spring fever!

Kristi said...

We took the dogs for a walk today and saw many other four legged friends out and about so I think this "touch" of warmer weather has really got many of us wanting spring!

I know we will go for another long walk tomorrow while we still have the chance.

Anonymous said...

Ha ha... I also had too-many-semesters-to-remember of calculus in college, and let's see, the last time I used any of that was, um ..... oh yes, my last semester of college calculus.

I honestly do not recall any time since graduating from college when I've been called upon to solve a calculus problem.

Hmph.

Cassi said...

Sorry, the teacher in me . . .

Most people aren't required to take calculus so that they can solve calculus problems later in life (math teachers being an exception :-)

Calculus requires a different way of thinking (different from, say, algebra), and it's that way of thinking that is required for many careers later. For instance, you might not need to calculate acceleration, but once you've taken calculus, you know where that calculation comes from, and that tells you something about the concept. The whole point of a liberal arts education is to learn to think --not necessarily to learn a particular subject.

I teach introductory sciences classes (college level) and college algebra is a pre-req. Not because the students need to use the equation of a line, but because when they see a graph of data they need to be able to interpret it. It's not as much about doing as it is about understanding.

So, maybe you haven't had to solve a calculus problem lately, but I'll bet the way you think has been influenced by those semesters of learning. And I'll bet your employer appreciates that about you.

Sorry for the soapbox --I'm kind of passionate about education.

Scott said...

Meteorologist Justin Gehrts - it appears that you are missing out. There is this guy here at my school name of Chris Karstens, you might know him, and apparently his computer apparatus known as "BUFKIT" says there could be some instability in this system. I myself find this interesting, as it may cause some elusive "thundersnow" phenomena to form. I'm sure if that forms around here, it then will hit Iowa City, then it will hit Davenport, and then it will surely hit Rockford... I'm sure of it.

Justin Gehrts said...

Haha, thanks for commenting, Scott. (Scott's one of my meteorology friends from Iowa State.)

The little bit of BUFKIT data I was able to see showed the most lift moving through Rockford around 5-6 p.m. Monday. Have the latest runs still shown that?

Justin Gehrts said...

I didn't like calculus because it took so long for it to ever make an ounce of sense to me. :)

Just a little personal tidbit about myself: People find it amazing I stuck with meteorology even though I struggled so much to get through calc. The thing is, my goal was to get a meteorology degree and there wasn't going to be any other outcome. The experience nudged up my humility, and I also proved to myself that I could accomplish something if I just kept at it.

I'm sure the blog readers found that quite touching. :D

Anonymous said...

Heh heh. Just to clarify, I'm not knocking calculus (or science, or college). I could say the same thing about most of the college classes I took (let's see, the last time I was called upon, since college, to expound upon any of the English Literature I read in college was....)

I just really disliked calculus.

In my undergraduate school you had to take 3 boring semesters of calculus before you could take any other advanced math classes (Linear Algebra for example) or Computer Science classes ... all of which I liked a lot better than calculus.

The explanation I heard at the time was "mathematical maturity" - some ineffible quality that people in the sciences were supposed to need, regardless of whether they actually needed to do the mathematical calculations taught in said math classes.

I will say that all those college math classes did probably do one (career related) Good Thing for me: they made me not be, uhm, for lack of a better term, a "math wimp."

That quality actually has served me well, and has probably contributed significantly to more than one promotion and/or raise in my working life.

When the need to understand or (Heaven forbid) calculate anything even remotely complex comes up, most people in the workplace practically run the other way.

Anybody who can calmly and matter-of-factly say, "Okay, no problem," and then go [read, do, calculate, understand, explain, analyze, use] whatever brush with math it was that scared everybody else, is miles ahead of the game.

Justin said...

Yea, I need to calculus next year, and I am NOT looking forward to it. I'll be majoring in meteorology either at Oklahoma or Valparaiso... and anywhere you want to be a meteorologist you need to take calculus. Its my understanding you need some Trig for calculus... and well, trig is definately not my strength.

Anonymous said...

Justin, don't be afraid of it. Just Do It. Its not hard, just a lot of homework. Think of it as a job and just crank it out by the deadlines expected.

And think about that great "promotion" you'll get when you finally have all the prereqs for those meteorology classes that you really want to take!

:)

Eric Sorensen said...

Wow! A discussion about math on the 13News Weather Blog! I love it :) -ERIC

Justin Gehrts said...

It's been an interesting read while awaiting the NAM, Eric. :P

Justin said...

Kind of an odd question... but whats the record in Rockford for most days of snow cover in a season and consecutive days of snow cover? And what is it so far this year? I realized when I was driving earlier that I can't even remember the last time i saw just plain grass.

Eric Sorensen said...

Justin: I got a peek at the 18zNam and it is very impressive. Question to answer now is how much the rain/sleet will take away from the available QPF. -ERIC

Justin Gehrts said...

(Green Bay) Justin: You know, that's a good question. I'll see if the Chicago NWS has any ideas. Might be a while before they tackle that info, though.

Anonymous said...

Hey justin (not gehrts, the other justin),

If you decide to go to the U of Oklahoma let us know. I have a friend who teaches in the Meteorology Dept there, who you'd have to stop by & say "hi" to for me.

He's really, really into the mathematical modeling aspects of meteorology. :)

Wierdly enough, I know him via a non-weather related interest -- I served on several (volunteer) national committees w. him about 10 years ago related to our common interest in dog training.

tony said...

Actually I drove home from work today about 3:30pm and there was all kinds of bare ground on riverside on the north side of the road. Sounds like by this time tomorrow, it may be covered again.

Justin Gehrts said...

NWS Chicago says they have data on snowdepth, but it'd be quite a task to go through it all. Suffice it to say, "too long" is one possible answer!

tony said...

It almost seems to me that after the january boone county tornado, it has been cold and snowy since.

Justin said...

You don't have to go through it all.. its not too big of a deal. Unless you really want to know. And I think youre right tony. I remember most of december we had snow, then it went away christmas day, and then shortly after the january tornado we saw very little relief from the snow

Justin Gehrts said...

Had to give you a hard time on first weather, Justin. :) (regarding wearing shorts)

Justin said...

I was on the computer and heard you say that in the background... I was like what?! But it did feel pretty nice with the sun out.

Staff said...

Well Justin, your not alone on wearing shorts, I wore them this past weekend myself..... Now I think I might have to take the night off of work and just stay home in the warm confines!

Adam Painter said...

I wore shorts too, and my neighbor called me crazy! I told him I had been called worse!

Candice said...

Do you know the records for the snowiest winter in DeKalb by chance?

Staff said...

LOL, Adam you wore shorts this past weekend to well yes I have been called worse, Zack my friend calls me Crazy Ike!