Update 10:02pm: GFS data has been coming in. There has been virtually no change in computer model solutions. I've also been looking at actual observed data. The information available to me does not raise any red flags to change the forecast. Rain is increasing in coverage over Iowa as I anticipated. That will move into our area overnight. Temperatures south of the IL/WI border should remain warm enough to support mostly rain, although some ice accumulation is possible, especially on bridges and overpasses. The higher risk for ice is still north of the IL/WI border.
Update 8:22pm: Precipitation is tapering off from SW to NE for the time being. Monroe reported light snow at 8:15; Janesville reported light freezing rain; here at the station, we ended the freezing rain with a few flurries.
We're entering a lull in the action. Looking at current surface observations, there is one low pressure located in eastern Kansas and another in northern Oklahoma. As the whole thing moves northeast, we should start getting enough lift to generate more precipitation. Some showers are developing in southern Iowa, and I suspect that is a sign that the main event is starting.
The evening model runs are coming in, by the way. The NAM has come in so far, and it has changed very little from the previous couple of runs. It handled the surface low placement much better than before, but everything else remained essentially the same. Since the run began more accurately, I have higher confidence in what it shows. At this point, the going forecast will remain the same. We'll see what the new GFS model shows in a little while.
Update 7:18pm: Still having areas of freezing rain. While the temperature may be just above freezing in some locations where rain is falling, it may still turn to ice due to the cold, snowy ground. The Storm Prediction Center has issued a technical discussion.
In addition, there are indications that the surface low will take a slightly more southerly jog. If this is the case, the winter threat areas will probably shift slightly southward. This puts southern Wisconsin in a greater risk of heavy snow, and far northern Illinois in a greater risk of additional icing. This possibility needs to be monitored over the next few hours. Of course, I will have updates as I have them.
Update 5:49pm: Freezing rain is accumulating enough to cause slick spots. While it's only a thin glaze at this point, be wary of icy conditions through the evening tonight.
Update 4:18pm: Winter Weather Advisory for northern IL along US 20... Winter Storm Warning for Wisconsin. I agree with the justification for the National Weather Service doing this. Northern tier of counties in Illinois should experience enough of a mix, then snow accumulation tomorrow, to make for hazardous but hopefully manageable conditions. In Wisconsin, the threat remains for not only some ice accumulation but also significant snow accumulation, especially just north of our viewing area.
The snowfall forecast map in the right-hand column on this page is my updated forecast. As I mentioned in my original post, I did move the snowfall swaths to the northwest a little bit. I expect Rockford to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4" of snow, based on current trends and data.
However, I cannot stress enough that even very subtle changes in how this all plays out will have potentially significant consequences on precipitation type and amounts.
Original Post: As Adam pointed out earlier, much of the precipitation was evaporating before it was reaching the ground. However, this makes the atmosphere cooler - further complicating what type of precipitation will fall when. In addition, while warmer air is continuing to push northward, the warm front itself looks like it may be stalling for the time being.
Still many crucial details that need to come together just right... but a quick summary is that I will not be altering Adam's forecast very much. I may push the snowfall swath a little further northwest, but beyond that, we're entering the "wait and see" mode.
Mix changing over to rain in the south... mostly rain near US 20... and a mix north of the IL/WI border tonight. Some ice accumulation is possible, especially north of the border. The transition back to all snow will occur from NW to SE through the day on Tuesday. I'm expecting Rockford to transition back over to all snow between 10am and noon. Occasionally heavy snow is possible, especially in our northwestern towns (such as Monroe). Still going with 3-6" in Rockford; higher amounts NW, lower amounts SE.
Monday, December 08, 2008
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Happen to look at the new 18Z GFS, This may be overdone, but it sure has a decent look to it:
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There's also a Precip bullseye with it to, backlash snows. 18z nam shows 2-4 inch potential for Winnebago County, 18Z GFS definately looks like what you guys are forecasting 4-6 inches. A stalling of the WAA would be nice...
I hope that is the case, because the NWS is saying that we may only have 1-2 inches, but yet they have been wrong so many times with rockford. I hope we still get about 4 or 5 inches.
And actually I think adam posted once that the models that are reliable are the 00z and 24z, that is converted to the 6am and 6pm models. Am I correct justin or adam.
Many critics say the 00z and 12z are more reliable in the long term then the 6z and 18z, some say the 18z has a tendency for a suppressive pattern. All these models are decent tools "If there not outliners, or discontinous" especially within 36 hours.
Yes, 00z and 12z models (6pm and 6am) seem to be better... the theory being that they ingest actual new upper-level data. The 06z and 18z (midnight and noon) models typically do not have fresh upper-level data and are therefore prone to problems.
As WxMidwest stated, though, they are useful if they agree with what we feel are the other reliable model runs. It gives us additional confidence.
So justin, will the 6pm data tonight give you more of a good idea as to where this storm is going to go and what we will ultimately end up with. I just hope the next big storm to come with give us big snow amounts instead of what we might get with this one.
6pm data will help immensely. However, it won't start coming in until around 8 or so.
I think you and adam have done a very superb job with this strange storm system while mr sorensen has been basking in the wonderful florida sunshine.
Justin; what kind of changes, if any, do you expect will be made to this forecast as of the 6PM forecast models?
And, here in the Dubuque area, do you agree with a Winter Weather Advisory? It looks like we are slated for about 6 inches here.
I know you are very busy during this winter weather scenario, and thanks for taking time to answer questions!
Its too bad they cant open the chat for this to discuss it, but like you said dubuquer, they are very busy trying to figure out what this storm is going to do.
Report: Just drove down from Madison. Really the only bad part of the drive was the beltline in Madison. I-90/I-39 is pretty darn good, barely even damp.
The biggest problem was where a DOT salt truck was salting the highway & traffic got jammed up behind it for miles.
Honestly, I have a feeling whatever the 6pm models show will be pretty much what we get from this.
I agree with you justin when you say you are earning your paycheck today. You all hit this storm on the head. Eric was saying a week ago that this might happen and it is. Of course its less snow that some snow lovers might want, but hey just keeping giving us these snow systems and cold air and we could maybe have a white christmas.
Dubuquer - Yeah, you're in that tricky situation... 6" in 12 hours is one of the criteria for a Winter Storm Warning and you're pretty much on the edge of that. The Quad Cities NWS folks are pretty sharp... they're even having headaches with this system.
As far as changes when the new model runs come in... not sure what to expect. I wouldn't be surprised if they speed up this system just a little bit.
WI Wx Buff - Good to hear! There were some reports of ice accumulation west of Madison.
Tony - I'm hoping the new model runs this evening finally lock onto something. We're pretty much entering the "wait and see what happens" phase.
And with ice, and sleet...
I don't really understand why not.
But I guess I should just trust what they have issued, and wait for any changes if and when they do come, thanks Justin!
Plan for what's in the forecast, not just what the headline is. :)
So, Justin, enlighten me..
Shall I plan on 2-5 inches.
Or 6+"
Because I am getting mixed signals!
I'll trust the 13 WREX weather team and expect around 6 inches here!
-And I thought you may appreciate a storm report, so I might as well just give it to you straight.
I just got back in, from taking the dogs out, and freezing rain is falling moderately with a decent/heavy coating of ice upon the snow. :) 1/10 of an inch.. or slightly less.
And, Justin, I don't know what to think, we only have the advisory in effect until midnight tonight!
Nah, it's midnight Tuesday night.
Oh, and plan for 2-6"+ of snow. ;)
Thanks, Justin, for narrowing it down for me!
Can't wait for the 8 o'clock update!:)
"Nice" coating of ice here in Belvidere. Listening to police scanners and heard over a dozen cars in the ditch since 5:30 (6:46 now). They pretty much just have a list going now. Taking fire 3-4x as long to respond to accidents because they have to go so slow. DO NOT DRIVE TONIGHT, it is nasty.
Im almost wondering if it is just plain rain with the temp at 34.
Oh my Goodness, Justin, freezing rain, sleet and snow all falling, mainly freezing rain. Freezing on contact, very, very icy. At least .1-.2 inches of ice accumulation, and falling very heavily!
Temperature: 29
Its kind of interesting on the weather channel watching the radar turn all kinds of colors. looks like the last frame on there would show freeport with snow but rockford with just plain rain.
What I am wondering is how Eric got out of working again with a big weather system on our hands! :P
it never fails! you guys should start keeping another tally! lol j/k
Yeah go figure, a major storm and eric bails out and heads to sunny florida. If we do get more snow, we should pelt him when he comes back. Justin and adam have been doing an outstanding job with this storm.
How much further south, Justin?
I have a feeling sometime after 8 justin will be informing us as the new models come out.
Oh my Good Golly Gosh, Justin, frzg rain and sleet falling right now, with .4 inches of sleet since 7:00PM
Looks like everyone on here has taken a breather. I have a feeling justin will be updating within the hour.
So justin, basically if the new GFS model is the same, then does that mean that pretty much the forecast we have will stay the same.
Correct. There is certainly still the chance that small details will change, which would alter what actually happens... but I'm not seeing enough to make me change the forecast.
I truthfully think this forecast is going to hold with the rain changing to snow tomorrow. How much we get is still to be determined. I hope it is enough to replace what will melt tonight. I think you have done an excellent job with this storm the last few days while eric snuck out and went to florida.
I'm wondering how the roads will be for tomorrow and if this will cause any schools to close. I wouldn't mind a day off work. haha
I hope they are not too bad in the morning. I have to bring my best friend into work at 6am. I hope its not icy.
The farther south you are, the better the chance of fair road conditions.
North of Rockford, road conditions will probably be pretty poor throughout the entire day. South of Rockford, I expect drivable road conditions in the morning with deteriorating road conditions as the day wears on. That said, everybody should plan on a slow commute in the morning for either snowy or wet roads... and in the evening, snowy/icy roads. Places that get rain will deal with that water freezing.
i hope dist.205 will be closed!
I'm in Pecatonica but drive to north rockford by the clocktower. It amazes me how many people forget to drive slower in the winter. ALWAYS many cars in the ditch all along 20.
Do you think any Rockford schools will be closed tomorrow, or is it too early to speculate?
Has the new GFS come in. I am assuming what we are getting for a forecast is going to stick.
So I guess if a person is a fan of major snowstorms, this storm will be a bust. Oh well, I am sure there will be other major storms this winter. Hopefully what snow we have left will stick around 2 more weeks for christmas.
Is this a good storm to try out my new snowblower? I hope so
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